Cosmo city… (Bangalore bytes Part 3)

How easy it is to snuggle into our respective comfort zones and not try to venture out of it. Not many actually do try to get out of it and I am a victim of zoning myself at most times. The zone I most times zero in on is Bangalore. I am so comfortable in this city that “comfort” can be redefined. After all, it is the city I was born in and studied in and for a few years worked in. Bangalore is also a very accommodating city, a bit like Mumbai and rightfully cosmopolitan. Bangalore is so not so bashful of its roots so much so that kannada is hardly spoken in the cantonment areas of the city. The local language is by and large spoken more in the older parts of Bangalore like Rajajinagar, Malleswaram, Jayanagar etc. Full credit to the locals for accommodating a diverse population from the north of India who have made Bangalore their own.

The city has been home to the neighboring ethnic tamil, telegu , malyalam population from the beginning of time and there were sparingly few from the north of India. The business community of Bangalore was a diverse mix of the few from north ( Sindhis and Punjabis ) and more from south. The IT boom in Bangalore led to burgeoning of the population way beyond anybody’s imagination. The infrastructure struggled as people from all over India zoomed into Bangalore, set up shop and became a Bangalorean. The locals who were welcoming began to feel a bit overwhelmed with this sudden influx. The initial open arms started to get a lot less wider, to the point of now remaining indifferent to the changes around them. Kannada is barely heard in the city, people communicate to each other more in all other languages. Auto drivers from Sivajinagar were not the only ones speaking Urdu / Hindi but so were the local shop keepers, vendors and traders. The cantonment area of Bangalore was decreasing it’s usage of Tamil, Telugu and Kannada and getting proficient in hindi and super proficient in english.

Kannadigas are by and large gentle people and a lot less fanatical than the neighboring Tamil. If one compares Bangalore with Chennai, the contrast can be rather blinding. Tamil remains the favored language on all counts for the average Chennaite. Kannadigas are good-natured patient people and have not coerced people into speaking Kannada in Bangalore. There are a few sections of the society who have turned a bit aggressive in trying to enforce Kannada, but the vibrant mix of the city has left such people cooling off their heels. Thankfully the Kannada extremists are not as daunting as the Shiv Sena in Mumbai. My only wish is that because the Kannadigas are a patient lot, they must not be rubbed up the wrong way. The migrants must learn to respect Karnataka and its wonderful culture and not shove and push their way around. We are proud of Bangalore’s diversity and may it always remain so.

Bangalore represents that well-educated strata and the large middle class of Bangalore have an immense amount of purchasing power in their capable hands. Shopping and eating out is the favored form of entertainment and there is no dearth of either options. I do find some of the malls in Bangalore like Garuda mall a bit suffocating over the weekends. There are people spilling out of its seams and I shudder to think the chaos that would enfold if there is a fire or any other eventuality. Those who think that there is ample security in these malls are highly mistaken. There is a metal detector at the main entrance but there are multiple gateways to the mall from the various levels which remain insecure and where every Muniappa , Mustaffa and Mark amble in lazily, absolutely free from any form of frisking. I do encourage in myself a bit of paranoia when I am in crowded places. Not a movie has been watched in any of the mall’s multiplexes without my mind wandering. Is there a bomb under my seat, will there be a short circuit, will there be terrorists storming the mall and gunning us down, will there be anthrax blown into the air. It never stops. But, the experience of watching a movie in a crowded Inox multiplex is something. The movie experience for some is a full day event depending on how far one stays away from these malls. It could take a good hour or so to get to the mall even if one is in the five kilometer radius to it (thanks to the traffic chaos), another half hour trying to get a parking space, two hours for the movie, half hour to take the car out of the mall and another hour to reach home. Another reason why piracy is not regarded much of a sin by those who have no patience to tackle the movie adventure.

The other interesting thing about these malls is that during summer it is a great place to cool off for those who don’t want to run high electricity bills in their homes or for those who do not have air conditioning at home. There is a great population who just walk around or stand in corners in groups, enjoying the cool drift. The genuine shopper squeezes through these people and cusses them under their breath. But, I do not blame these idlers, in fact I feel sorry to see them standing around for so long all for the sake of some respite from the outside heat. There is forum mall in Koramangala which is better planned than the Garuda mall and a lot more spacious. It accommodates more idlers.More about Forum later.

I chose to write a bit about Bangalore as I had initially meant to keep it as a mini series and I got distracted with the IPLs and the iPhone and a few other things. I noticed that the blog crossed 20,000 hits yesterday and thank you all for having the patience to read what this boring finance professional writes. Feel free to criticize or compliment, it helps us all to take it off the chest! A big thank you to Pritish Nandy who so kindly retweets some of my articles on Twitter and for finding the writing bearable.

Links for Bangalore Bytes 1 & 2

https://sharmilasays.wordpress.com/2009/12/21/bangalore-bytes-part-1-the-ever-changing-facade/
https://sharmilasays.wordpress.com/2009/12/30/bangalore-bytes-part-2/

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68 Responses to “Cosmo city… (Bangalore bytes Part 3)”

  1. Congrats di!!!!But its just the beginning,may your blog prosper and increase its reach to multitudes.Keep enjoyin Bangalore 🙂

    Is comment no.22 here on this link yours
    http://www.blockbusters.in/bollywood/?p=292&cp=all

  2. Sharmila,

    Thank you for giving a face – and a friendly one – to what was only a spot on the map for me before.

    I wonder how many of your 20.000 readers are from outside India. We learn so much from you, really appreciate it.

    Some fears are common to all of us, it seems. I worry about a potential earthquake in a crowded mall in San Francisco, you think about terrorists in Bangalore. Sad about the man-made threats….

  3. parmaatma Says:

    Sharmila,

    The commercial nature of state capitals is a fallout of the economic structure that Amartya Sen has systemtaically demystified.

    I had the opportunity to witness the flow from it’s remote roots in the villages to Mumbai.

    A Tahsil in Maharashtra is the central market place for about 50 odd villages in a district. The local produce is purchased by government arms, private agents and ccoperatives. From there it moves to warehouses outside the city limits where it is mostly auctioned on-call or exported. The city has offices of buyers and sellers from other states and overseas traders. Along with them is a vast network of transporters, packaging and finishing industries to add value.

    A good literate population services this vast flow of goods from across the state.

    In Maharashtra, the Punjabis, Gujarathis and Marwari’s have penetrated deep inside the village networks. So much so that they are now also the principle money lenders, landlords and owners of SMEs and transportation companies.

    In Mumbai, the cash flow generated by the city, though substantial at about 1600 Cr per day, is now mostly from international trade, shipping, stock markets, film industry and energy sector. It hardly serves the interests of the state even if it is the administrative capital for governance.

    Industries and farms dispatch their goods directly to the destination states. Textile industry has moved to Gujarat. With free ports coming up along Daman and the Konkan coast, Mumbai port is already losing customers to Gujarat.

    In Pune, the Marwaris are called Indian Jews. They have such a firm hold on the economics of the state, almost 60% of all money goes through their accounts one way or another.

    Terrorism is a waste of time and effort in Mumbai. Maharashtrian businessmen don’t need Mumbai anymore. It plays to the gallery, to make headlines that change the next day. The real strength of the economy is in the interiors where people produce goods that give value for money.

    The interiors are safe from terrorism and city crowds because there are no roads, no electricity and no colleges! Just rain gods and black magic! 🙂

    • Sudhir – Great point. Terrorism strikes progress. Gujrat in my opinion has better leadership for the sake of economics to a large extent. I am not convinced with Karnataka’s leadership. I think Karnataka did a lot better under SM Krishna than any other CM. He is progressive like Chandrababu Naidu but did not again do enough for the rural sectors.

    • The facts you have stated, do not coincide at all with the economy of Mumbai. You need to offer a citation.

      • Oye, Sudhir,

        Watch out for those pesky facts!

        Perhaps you do require a personal bean counter. 🙂 🙂 🙂

      • parmaatma Says:

        Okay.. Here is a citation..

        Till late nineties diamond cutting was done in Mumbai. It was a cool Rs. 600 Cr a day business. Diamonds are imported from producers like De Beers in South Africa and re-exported to London after cutting.

        The Shahs, Parekhs and Mehtas moved the business to Gujarat as soon the ports were ready to handle the traffic.

        A second example is the textile mills which moved out after Datta Samant’s 15 year long campaign.

        A third example is the perishable and stored food stuff from Sangli, Satara, Junnar and Nasik. The packing and CIF agents are now located in the villages. The goods are trucked directly to the destination by road. These agents are Marwaris and Gujjus. Truckers are from Punjabis, UP and Bihar, who know the state highways and destinations.

        There are more slums in Mumbai than any other city India.

        🙂

      • Diamonds are still cut in Mumbai, however the majority industries are in Surat. I wouldn’t think proximity to port is a big issue in the diamond industry, so I doubt the diamond industry moved to Gujarat because of access to a port. Most of the diamond firms and diamond merchants are still based in Mumbai and it is about 70,000 cr turnover industry annually.

        As for the mills, they closed to years ago and didn’t contribute to the economy of Mumbai for the past atleast 2-3 decades.

        I didnt get your 3rd point. If you are saying the food packaging industries moved out of the city, I dont understand how that is a big deal ? Most of the industries have already moved out of the city to reap in on the land prices.

        I didnt understand what point you are making from the slums either, about the economy.

      • parmaatma Says:

        The point is notional.

        Mumbai as the capital of Maharshtra is today exclusively dominated by merchant trading… not by its capacity to produce value.

        For example, textile mill plots are not replaced by other factories or manufacturing industry. They are occupied by shopping outlets and cinema halls.

        Largest slums… as an indicator of the crime rate… and the availability of low-priced criminals on-call…

        Mumbai being the safest city and Delhi being close on its heels is an unauthenticated survey done by an armchair reporter of DNA… I have a copy. I will quote from that once I reach home.

        🙂

        🙂

      • Obviously it’s a merchant trading destination, isn’t that part of creating value? It’s not just the farms and factories which create value these days. What do you think cities like NY, HongKong and Singapore do ?

        I dont understand how you equated slums to easy access to criminals. I require citation. The Dharavi slum is also one of the biggest leather industries in India. What makes you say slums breeds criminals? Not all the people in a Mumbai slum are poor..you might want to check out how many tata sky dishes stick out of some of the slums.

        I didn’t quote from DNA, if you have read Business India & Business Today for the last decade, they always have a annual review of the cities. You might want to read those.

      • parmaatma Says:

        Citation for criminals in Dharavi? That would be naive…

        But here is something close to it:

        Time: June 1991. Location: MHADA Colony Construction site next to Mahananda Dairy, Goregaon (West).

        Due to architectural limitations I had recommended a pile cap 6 meters below the ground level. The bedrock had to be cut by about 3 meters. The construction manager decided to blast the rock as cutting it with chisels and rock breakers would have taken 6 months. But the authorities could not give official permission due to the proximity of the milk tanks and residential area.

        The result was the legal suppliers of dynamites would not sell the explosives for blasting.

        You might have guessed the solution. Abbas Bhai at Dharavi. He provided gelatin sticks with electrical detonators and people to carry out the job at night.

        Job done. Paid. All safe. That was in 1991. They must have progressed since then unless all of them have become nuns and priests.

        🙂

      • That’s again one example. Nobody is arguing there are criminals in Mumbai or in slums. But there is no statistic that the increase of slums has created a major law and order, eve teasing or taporigiri problem in Mumbai. As far as I know the crime rate in Mumbai was on par with cities like Delhi or lesser. The mafia however has a big hold in Mumbai obviously due to the money aspect. Having said that the mafia doesn’t roam the streets with weapons in their pockets.

      • http://ncrb.nic.in/cii2006/cii-2006/Snapshots.pdf

        “Delhi, Mumbai and Bangalore have accounted for 16.2%, 9.5% and 8.1% respectively of the total IPC crimes reported from 35 mega cities.”

        When Bangalore’s population is 6 million = half of Mumbai’s it’s crime rate should be 4.25% to be at par with Mumbai’s 9.5%. It is 8.1% which was surprising even to me. Correct me if i have calculated something wrong here.

      • lol my maths sucks..it shouldnt be 4.25%…but 4.75%. it’s still high at 8.1%. Clearly coincides with what Business India and Business Today has been telling us for years. So I dont think your personal experiences are telling you the complete story.

      • parmaatma Says:

        May be not. In fact hope not. I wouldn’t swap my experiences with anyone. There are always as many good as disappointing. So even stevens.

        If I were to distribute an investment portfolio by destination, I’d say:

        Capex: Bangalore 45%
        Opex: Mumbai 25%
        Reserves: Delhi: 30%

        🙂

      • err..what ??

      • parmaatma Says:

        Thank you.

        The ‘err..what??’ just inspired a complete post on my blog. I found a missing link in the logical progression that was holding up my blog.

        🙂

  4. Aishwarya Says:

    Sharmila,

    I first visited Bangalore in the early 90s and what struck me was the beautiful climate and the greenery. I remember more than shopping at Brigade road, it was the flower market at Jayanagar that left me gawking…roses and roses everywhere! When I visited many years later, I was sad to see that the city wasn’t as green, it was overcrowded, and the traffic and pollution was unbelievable. If this is what IT boom does to a city, then its truly regretful.

    I visited Forum Mall when I was there for a conference, thinking I would spend the evening shopping. I made a mistake – I went into Landmark first…and then in the world of books, I forgot my plan! Would like to hear more about Forum, so I do better next time!

    Anybody who says finance professionals are boring, haven’t read this blog yet! Way to go, girl!:)

  5. parmaatma Says:

    Sharmila,

    How come bangalore bytes part 3? Have there been a part 1 and 2 before?

    Just wondering. Perhaps I have missed some.

  6. parmaatma Says:

    Sharmila,

    My memories of bangalore…

    Majestic, Cotton Market, HAL, IIS, Apsara Cinema, Raj Hotel, Dr. Rajkumar, Sajjanrao circle, MG Road…

    Lots of drift-wood that I purchased.. various shapes and sizes

    🙂

  7. parmaatma Says:

    Sharmila,

    Terrorism is the legacy left by George Bush… and he will always be remembered for that.

    On his roadmap to a single American World Order, any form of resistence against an armed government is labelled terrorism.

    Terrorism actually applies only to the motive of the fidayeens – the likes of some cadres in the erstwhile LTTE.

    The in-house guerrilla battles of Che Guevara, Castro, Saddam, Arafat are not terrorist campaigns – they are a fight for dignified survival. The implosions in Pakistan are a consequence of the citizenry accepting violence as proper for settling differences – it is not terrorism.

    Terror is an impact – not the cause.

    The campaign that was bank rolled by the US government to create a market for the Swine Flu vaccine is terrorism. It was not true. It was never a pandemic and even the medical professionals do not take the vaccine themselves becuase of its side effects. This sort of marketing panic is terrorism. Americans know it better than the rest of the world.

    Stalin and Mao massacred a whole generation of youth in their countries. The two killed about 94 million people during their 15 years of reign. That was the rule of terror.

    The world is not unfamiliar with the kind of terror that religious fundamentalists are advocating. The era of the Christian Inquistion is well known. History is repeating itself in certain parts of undeveloped nations.

    Que sera sera or Murphy’s Law. What will happen, will happen.

    Terror loves fear… that is all the success it looks for… don’t give them that pleasure… one way is that of the Smiling Buddha… and another is to strengthen the cultural fabric of peace and harmony to the last citizen of the community.

    There is a difference between the terrorism of religious fundamentalism and the warfare of Maoists. Maoists do not blow up ant hills. They know it doesn’t serve any purpose. It only scatters the ants and the great snake has to go hungry till the next hill is built.

    Maoists let loose the snake in the ant hill and occupy the space keeping the structure intact.

    Unfortunately George Bush’s roadmap to the New World Order does not have enough float to go into details. All resistence is grouped under one category called ‘Risk’ and mitigated by insuring it locally against the natives.

    Politics is an opium!

    🙂

    • Sudhir – I agree. Bush ( both ) and Rumsfeld were shrewd and profited the most with the wars on so called terror. The arms company that supplied the weapons etc for all the US wars on terror had Rumsfeld sitting pretty on it’s board. The Bushs have been close to the Saudi families and they too probably did everything for the interest of oil money and not for the sake of their own people.

  8. parmaatma Says:

    Sharmila,

    And don’t be afraid of bombs under your seat in a theatre… It will take more than a bomb to dislodge us if we are watching an AB or a Kamal Hasan film… probably a cruise missile tied to the seat… or something like that…

    🙂

  9. 🙂 🙂 🙂 thats way too much credit to actors and films Sudhir!

  10. parmaatma Says:

    MonaLisa, 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Imagine the embarrassment of the terrorist – if no one notices the antics:

    Mr. Handler: Kya hua, bumb phata kya?

    Mr. T: Janab, bumb toh phata magar kuch asar nahin hua

    Mr. Handler: Laahol vilakuwwat, kaisa zamaana aa gaya hai!

    Mr. T: Woh Amitabh Bachchan aaj kal comedy karta hai… kabhi Paa, kabhi Johny, kabhi Angrez, kabhi Omani… jeena mushkil ho gaya hai, janab! Kya karen?

    Mr. Handler: Line mein khade rahon aur humaare liye ticket nikalo… hum aa rahen hain!

    🙂

  11. parmaatma Says:

    Sharmila,

    Agree about ‘The Name is Rajni’. I just saw his Sivaji-The Boss again (Hindi version). He has his own charm! People here go for his movies with candles and flowers and lot of coins! There is more fun among the audience than on the screen! Rajni movies must be watched in the theatre!

    🙂

  12. parmaatma Says:

    Sharmila,

    Another thought…. I have to fall back on the scriptures to express this one…

    Says Manu in Ch 7:22 & 7:23 –

    Sarvo dandajito loko durlabho hi shuchar narah |
    Dandasya hi bhayaat sarvam jagad bhogaaya kalpate ||

    … … … Punishment keeps order; a guiltless man is hard to find |
    … … … The world yields benefits only from fear of punishments ||

    Deva-daanav-gandharva rakshansi patag-uragah |
    Te api bhogaaya kalpate danden-eva nipiditah ||

    … … … Even the gods, people, angels, demons, birds & snakes |
    … … … Deliver services to us only from fear of chastisement ||

    — Manu Smriti

    I know it’s very dark and morbid. But these are the kind of philosophies that have to be challenged if one has to replace them with better ones.

    Mahatma Gandhi did just that. And succeeded too, though for a very short while between 1921 and 1948.

    • Do you know Manu Smriti by rote?

      • parmaatma Says:

        Sharmila,

        Haha… No…. In fact I don’t know anything by rote. But I remember the context and location of what is where. This helps me to locate the stuff quickly…

        There is another uncanny and unexplained occurence. I had mentioned this to Aishwarya once. This happens almost always with me:

        I think of a word, a subject or an idea… Open any book that is relevant to the mood… For example individualism – open Nietzsche or Ayn Rand; Spirituality – Tagore, Radhakrishnan, Vedas, Bhrigu, Avestha etc… and then something wierd happens… I open the book anywhere, and within a second I find the reference for what I want to say…

        Don’t believe me… but that is the truth… Every book that I quote is on my shelf… so it is authentic and relevant… how I find the quote at the right time at the right place is wierd! Psychic stuff!!

        But I guess it is mainly because the context and location is catalogued in my own memory in some way… else it would be impossible to rationalise!

        🙂

      • Wow Sudhir, this reminds me of my CPA exams. We could take the Master tax act with us for the exams but indexing was the only way I could pass my exams. Looks like you need no indexing either!

      • parmaatma Says:

        Sharmila,

        Addenda: Also I am a Piscean-Aries Cusp – a deep-water bigb fish, with horns on the head!!! 🙂

      • I can see that clearly

    • Aishwarya Says:

      Sudhir,

      Yes, I remember…its amazing.

      Addenda: You were born on an adhik maas Ram Navmi day. That makes you a Piscean-Aries cusp. By the moon-chart, the rashi is cancer. So next week, same day!:)

      Happy Gudi Padwa and Ugadi, Sudhir. Wish you a wonderful year ahead.

      🙂

      • Somebody’s birthday is around the corner then!!

      • parmaatma Says:

        Yes. 23rd March 1964, I left my orbit in the Swayankara Galaxy and came to visit this planet.

        Now, every year this day is spent quietly in fasting and meditation…

        I hope there is nothing called a soul… and that Life is just the process of organic and inorganic reactions of chemicals on earth…

        I hope there is nothing called birth or death or re-birth…

        I strive for freedom… freedom from consciousness… the soul… life… and death… I hope one day I shall be free of this universe in all respects…

        I do not love Maya or Mayawati… they are all the same…

        🙂

      • What is Swayankara now???

      • parmaatma Says:

        Sharmila,

        Swayankara? I don’t know, just made up the word. 😛

        Swayam is Self… Ahankara… is Ego… so Swayankara!

        An imaginary galaxy where everyone has a self-satisfied ego!

        🙂

      • Ha ha, we need to bring this galaxy to earth now

  13. parmaatma Says:

    Sharmila,

    Does ‘Leave a Reply’ mean ‘Leave one reply only?’

    🙂

    • It depends, for the likes of Angel it would mean multiple…:)

      • parmaatma Says:

        Sharmila,

        Okay, then I am Angel! 🙂

        By the way, in my childhood I had heard that there were Angels and Fairies. We sort of assumed that Angels were male and fairies were female, because the word Uncle comes from Angel.

        Now, when was the name hijacked by girls?

        🙂

      • Sudhir – This is again news to me? Uncles from angels? wow!

  14. Ramanathan Says:

    Great snapshots of Bangalore Sharmila. Bangalore for me is the big bad city that brought in beer and belly dancing (Bascos on Brigade Road) into my innocent world way back in the early 80s. It also is a city which has consistently helped me reaching new heights of performance in my line of retail financing, thanks to the state of art attitude the commercial vehicle operator in this town possesses. E.g; Volvo would have had to go back to Sweden if not for B’lore’s initial support. Really sad that the city has not been able to cope up with the increased standard of living of the ever growing populace.
    Ramanathan

    • Ramanathan – Thanks,yes, BLR is also known for its pub culture and it was the most happening city in th nineties. Volvo has set up shop there and rightly so and it’s facilty is indeed state of the art. We were the auditors for Volvo. Infrastructure remains an issue, but the elevated expressway in electronic city is now complete and should minimize some bottlenecks.

  15. parmaatma Says:

    Ramanathan,

    Your views remind me of some terrible experiences that one of my friends from UP had in Mumbai in ’90. His name was Kailash and he had come to Mumbai to act in films.

    The climax of the film ‘Damini’ was being shot on my construction site. It took about two days. The scene was… Meenakshi Sheshadri is being chased by some goons in a rickshaw… she runs into the rubble and construction debris… picks up an pick-axe.. etc etc…

    This guy Kailash was good looking & photogenic… he was desperately pursuing the casting director’s yes-men for a placement. (What he didn’t know was that the junior artists are supplied by someone.) The yes-men took him in a Maruti van out of the area…

    Later he came back in the evening and left for his hometown by the Geetanjali express! He never came back! And you can guess why…

    This same guy Kailash had once gone to Princess Street near Churchgate to buy footwear from the hawkers. We had told him to bargain at 50% of the cost. He was told Rs 300/-. So he smartly said “Rs. 150/- no more.” The seller probably realised something from his tone and action. He agreed to Rs. 150/- and gave the shoes in the hand without any packing or box. Kailash thought it was a good deal even without a bag or box. He paid for it, held the shoes in the hand and starting walking away. The seller pulled back one shoe and asked him to go. Kailash tried to argue & complain. The seller said “Shana banta hai kya bhidu?(You think you are smart?) For half price you get only one shoe.. pay another 150/- and take the other piece!”…

    So I suppose Bangalore is still a far better place than Mumbai!

    🙂

    • pretty silly reason quoting one experience out of a million.

      • Ninad – Would like to hear more about your experience in Mumbai, it would be quite invigorating. I have not much idea of Mumbai, been there only a couple of times for a few days. The last trip I did was in June last year and the traffic and the weather were equally frustrating.

      • parmaatma Says:

        The example I cited is to highlight the con men (Tapori) factor of Mumbai.

        Anyone who knows both Mumbai and Bangalore will admit that Mumbai has more con men and street side mugs than Bangalore.

        The example of Kailash is what I have personally witnessed and cannot be removed from my memory.

        🙂

        Renate,

        What is a Bean Counter?

      • parmaatma Says:

        Renate,

        Thank you. You are spot-on. I need good bean-counters.

        My own friends are so high on the ladder, most of them only speak in Ratios and Indices. NPV, NAV, VAR, deltas, sigmas etc… which may be good for Adam Smith or John Keynes but not good for Mr. Bean!

        And I am too lazy to Google for stats!

        🙂

      • That’s why I said my faith gets a good workout with your facts! 😉

      • Ha!

        Position and emoticons in space!

        Doing a little victory lap.

        🙂 🙂 🙂

      • parmaatma Says:

        Renate,

        It is good to be objective.

        I do the front-end detailing mostly after the basis-for-design is agreed. Finally the commissioning comes once the detailing is done.

        Till then I beat around Mr. Bush…

        🙂

      • parmaatma Says:

        I have got the knack now.

        I knew it had to be easy if a woman’s intution can find it…

        😛

        🙂 🙂 🙂

      • Sudhir,

        Nicely put!

        However….

        Please do not keep the memory of Mr. Bush around. Most of us are desperate to forget.

      • Still, my dear, you were lagging behind the woman in this one! 😦 😦 😉

      • I dont have knowledge about con-men or taporis in Mumbai compared to Bangalore, but Mumbai usually rates higher than Bangalore in the safe city index published by various magazines. It is usually rated high in the safety for women bracket and eve teasing. However I dont think there is any great law and order problem in Mumbai or Bangalore to warrant any comparison.

      • parmaatma Says:

        Agree. I wouldn’t compare Mumbai and Bangalore or any two places if I don’t have to.

        The case of Mumbai Vs Bangalore arose when I had the opportunity to sell property in Pune & Mumbai and move towards Bangalore (Ooty actually).

        It’s quite trivial in the sense that both belong to us as one nation.

        🙂

    • @Sharmila,

      Well I find Mumbai people helpful and very devoted to their city. Most would however agree that it is no longer a pleasant experience to live in. However, I don’t think many would be happy if they were asked to leave the city and go elsewhere.

      There are huge problems in the city..all because of exorbitant land prices. When you have apartments selling for 90,000 per sq ft, you have the land mafia, politicians, builders everyone wanting to cash in.

      The government treats it as a cash cow and is not willing to contribute to the infrastructure. For building a metro they asked for 70,000 cr..the government said they will give 2000 cr. Basically the government is right..it has to concentrate on creating more megacities. Mumbai has reached its peak..it has to wait for other cities to catch up, ease the congestion and then start growing again.

      However, till India’s haphazard planning attitude continues, there is no relief for Mumbaikars. If Bangalore and other cities don’t learn from this, they will be on the same path.

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